[SuperFly 0]

Столкнулся с новой галочкой при установке версии ISE14_7 - просят принудительно принять следующее:

 

13. WebTalk Notice, Consent and Opt-Out.

 

(a) Collection and Transmission of Data. "WebTalk" is a feature of the Software that electronically transmits to Xilinx various data relating to Licensee's use of the Software. WebTalk does not transmit the actual logic designs or Bitstreams processed via the Software. The types of data that WebTalk will transmit to Xilinx include: (i) constraint data (e.g., location assignments, clock and timing requirement and assignments, any constraints set via the Software graphical user interface), (ii) device data (e.g., targeted device and family), (iii) compilation data (e.g., device, memory and I/O utilization, time of compilation), (iv) design data (e.g., the number of each type of file used, intellectual property cores/LogiCORE IP cores logic functions used, and intellectual property parameterization), (v) Software data (e.g., synthesis, simulation and timing analysis tools used, and version and build of the Software), (vi) platform data (e.g., operating system, speed and number of processors and main memory), (vii) Authorization Codes data, (viii) Software errors log data (e.g., previous exit status), and (ix) help access data. Xilinx may correlate the data collected by WebTalk (primarily via the Authorization Codes data) to determine the identity of the Licensee and the User. WebTalk functions by bundling the collected data resulting from your use of the Software and writing it to html and/or xml files which are electronically transmitted over the internet to Xilinx by https (hypertext transfer protocol secure) post. WebTalk collects and maintains the last usage_statistics_webtalk file that was meant for transmission for a given design. Every new re-compilation of that given design will overwrite the previous file. If the https post transmission fails, or an internet connection is not available at the time of attempted transmission, the data is stored as an html and/or xml file. Once an internet connection is achieved by Licensee, the https post transmission will again be attempted upon re-compilation. The operation of WebTalk will not materially affect the performance of the Software.

 

(b) Use, Protection and Disclosure of Data. Xilinx uses the data received via WebTalk so that Xilinx can continuously improve the Software and other products, technologies and services that Xilinx offers to its customers, and also for sales and marketing email communications (for example, for selective announcement of new Xilinx products and services, distribution of marketing data, etc.). Xilinx uses reasonable efforts to maintain the privacy of the data during transmission (as discussed above) and after receipt by Xilinx via "firewalls" and other commonly available physical and technical security measures. However, due to technological limitations, the transmission of data through various internet service providers not under contract with Xilinx, and the risk of unlawful interceptions and accessing of transmissions and/or data, Xilinx cannot completely assure Licensee or Users, and Licensee and Users should not expect, that the data will be absolutely protected or confidential. If you attempt to tamper with or modify the Software in any way (other than as expressly authorized by Xilinx in this Agreement), Xilinx disclaims all responsibility for the operation of WebTalk and for the collection, transmission and protection of data as described herein. Xilinx may disclose data received via WebTalk to its corporate subsidiaries and to its authorized distributors and sales representatives (collectively, "Sales Partners"), which disclosures may be in a form that may be correlated to personally identify Licensee and Users, for their use of such data in the same manner as Xilinx might use such data. Except for disclosures to its Sales Partners, the data received by Xilinx via WebTalk will not be intentionally disclosed by Xilinx to any third parties in a form that is knowingly capable of being correlated to personally identify Licensee and its Users; however, Xilinx may share this data in an aggregate form that does not knowingly identify Licensee and its Users with its business affiliates including without limitation electronic design automation (EDA) companies with whom Xilinx has a commercial relationship including, but not limited to, Synopsys, Mentor Graphics, and Cadence. Xilinx also seeks to require Sales Partners and business affiliates to exercise reasonable efforts to maintain the confidentiality of the data disclosed to them. In addition to disclosures to Sales Partners, Xilinx may disclose personally identifiable data (collected by WebTalk and correlated to Licensee and Users), with or without prior notice, when Xilinx believes that the law requires it, in response to subpoenas or at the demand of governmental agencies, to protect its systems or business, or to respond to an emergency. Further, Xilinx reserves the right to transfer any and all data collected by WebTalk from Licensee and Users to a third party in the event that Xilinx sells or transfers substantially all of its assets related to the Software to such third party.

 

© Enable/Disable. Please note that WebTalk will collect and transmit certain data that may contain (or be correlated to reveal, primarily via the Authorization Codes data) personally identifiable information. By agreeing to this Agreement, you hereby give your consent (on behalf of Licensee and Users) for Xilinx to use and disclose this information anywhere in the world for the purposes and as described in this Agreement. Licensee or its Users may disable/enable WebTalk during installation or by editing the user preferences in Project Navigator, iMPACT, Vivado or PlanAhead or by running the xwebtalk command line utility which is located in your ise/bin/<os> folder, where os is nt, nt64, lin or lin64. Please note that WebTalk data transmission is mandatory for ISE WebPACK and Vivado WebPACK software (which are made available by Xilinx at no charge) and for alpha, beta or similar early access versions of Xilinx software products, and WebTalk makes decisions on data transmission based on the Authorization Codes used for design compilation; the only exception to this mandatory transmission is if the software is used on a machine that is not connected to the internet. If you obtained ISE WebPACK or Vivado WebPACk software (which are made available by Xilinx at no charge) and desire to have the ability to disable WebTalk, you may purchase a license to another version of the Software and not use the ISE WebPACK or Vivado WebPACK software. Versions of the Software for which Xilinx is paid a license fee contain the capability for disabling WebTalk as described herein.

[Bad0512 2]

Столкнулся с новой галочкой при установке версии ISE14_7 - просят принудительно принять следующее:

 

13. WebTalk Notice, Consent and Opt-Out.

 

(a) Collection and Transmission of Data. "WebTalk" is a feature of the Software that electronically transmits to Xilinx various data relating to Licensee's use of the Software. WebTalk does not transmit the actual logic designs or Bitstreams processed via the Software. The types of data that WebTalk will transmit to Xilinx include: (i) constraint data (e.g., location assignments, clock and timing requirement and assignments, any constraints set via the Software graphical user interface), (ii) device data (e.g., targeted device and family), (iii) compilation data (e.g., device, memory and I/O utilization, time of compilation), (iv) design data (e.g., the number of each type of file used, intellectual property cores/LogiCORE IP cores logic functions used, and intellectual property parameterization), (v) Software data (e.g., synthesis, simulation and timing analysis tools used, and version and build of the Software), (vi) platform data (e.g., operating system, speed and number of processors and main memory), (vii) Authorization Codes data, (viii) Software errors log data (e.g., previous exit status), and (ix) help access data. Xilinx may correlate the data collected by WebTalk (primarily via the Authorization Codes data) to determine the identity of the Licensee and the User. WebTalk functions by bundling the collected data resulting from your use of the Software and writing it to html and/or xml files which are electronically transmitted over the internet to Xilinx by https (hypertext transfer protocol secure) post. WebTalk collects and maintains the last usage_statistics_webtalk file that was meant for transmission for a given design. Every new re-compilation of that given design will overwrite the previous file. If the https post transmission fails, or an internet connection is not available at the time of attempted transmission, the data is stored as an html and/or xml file. Once an internet connection is achieved by Licensee, the https post transmission will again be attempted upon re-compilation. The operation of WebTalk will not materially affect the performance of the Software.

 

(B) Use, Protection and Disclosure of Data. Xilinx uses the data received via WebTalk so that Xilinx can continuously improve the Software and other products, technologies and services that Xilinx offers to its customers, and also for sales and marketing email communications (for example, for selective announcement of new Xilinx products and services, distribution of marketing data, etc.). Xilinx uses reasonable efforts to maintain the privacy of the data during transmission (as discussed above) and after receipt by Xilinx via "firewalls" and other commonly available physical and technical security measures. However, due to technological limitations, the transmission of data through various internet service providers not under contract with Xilinx, and the risk of unlawful interceptions and accessing of transmissions and/or data, Xilinx cannot completely assure Licensee or Users, and Licensee and Users should not expect, that the data will be absolutely protected or confidential. If you attempt to tamper with or modify the Software in any way (other than as expressly authorized by Xilinx in this Agreement), Xilinx disclaims all responsibility for the operation of WebTalk and for the collection, transmission and protection of data as described herein. Xilinx may disclose data received via WebTalk to its corporate subsidiaries and to its authorized distributors and sales representatives (collectively, "Sales Partners"), which disclosures may be in a form that may be correlated to personally identify Licensee and Users, for their use of such data in the same manner as Xilinx might use such data. Except for disclosures to its Sales Partners, the data received by Xilinx via WebTalk will not be intentionally disclosed by Xilinx to any third parties in a form that is knowingly capable of being correlated to personally identify Licensee and its Users; however, Xilinx may share this data in an aggregate form that does not knowingly identify Licensee and its Users with its business affiliates including without limitation electronic design automation (EDA) companies with whom Xilinx has a commercial relationship including, but not limited to, Synopsys, Mentor Graphics, and Cadence. Xilinx also seeks to require Sales Partners and business affiliates to exercise reasonable efforts to maintain the confidentiality of the data disclosed to them. In addition to disclosures to Sales Partners, Xilinx may disclose personally identifiable data (collected by WebTalk and correlated to Licensee and Users), with or without prior notice, when Xilinx believes that the law requires it, in response to subpoenas or at the demand of governmental agencies, to protect its systems or business, or to respond to an emergency. Further, Xilinx reserves the right to transfer any and all data collected by WebTalk from Licensee and Users to a third party in the event that Xilinx sells or transfers substantially all of its assets related to the Software to such third party.

 

© Enable/Disable. Please note that WebTalk will collect and transmit certain data that may contain (or be correlated to reveal, primarily via the Authorization Codes data) personally identifiable information. By agreeing to this Agreement, you hereby give your consent (on behalf of Licensee and Users) for Xilinx to use and disclose this information anywhere in the world for the purposes and as described in this Agreement. Licensee or its Users may disable/enable WebTalk during installation or by editing the user preferences in Project Navigator, iMPACT, Vivado or PlanAhead or by running the xwebtalk command line utility which is located in your ise/bin/<os> folder, where os is nt, nt64, lin or lin64. Please note that WebTalk data transmission is mandatory for ISE WebPACK and Vivado WebPACK software (which are made available by Xilinx at no charge) and for alpha, beta or similar early access versions of Xilinx software products, and WebTalk makes decisions on data transmission based on the Authorization Codes used for design compilation; the only exception to this mandatory transmission is if the software is used on a machine that is not connected to the internet. If you obtained ISE WebPACK or Vivado WebPACk software (which are made available by Xilinx at no charge) and desire to have the ability to disable WebTalk, you may purchase a license to another version of the Software and not use the ISE WebPACK or Vivado WebPACK software. Versions of the Software for which Xilinx is paid a license fee contain the capability for disabling WebTalk as described herein.

Принудительно тут только соглашение на распространение ваших данных отправленных через WebTalk. А вот включать WebTalk или нет - ваше право.

[Alex77 4]

Принудительно тут только соглашение на распространение ваших данных отправленных через WebTalk. А вот включать WebTalk или нет - ваше право.

WebTalk насколь я помню включен принудительно если пользовать webpack. иначе - да отключаемо.

PS: фича очень давно появилась (склероз. наверно с 12 версии чтоли ???)

Изменено 25 ноября, 2013 пользователем Alex77

[dima_spb 0]

А что в этом страшного?

По моему, это вполне нормально

[Bad0512 2]

WebTalk насколь я помню включен принудительно если пользовать webpack. иначе - да отключаемо.

Вполне возможно, ни разу вебпаком не пользовался. И в принципе это логично - за бесплатный сыр всегда есть скрытая плата.

 

[SuperFly 0]

А что в этом страшного?

По моему, это вполне нормально

Вы считаете нормальным, что страна потенциального противника знает ТТХ вашего устройства и (возможно) его начинку? Не говоря уже о способности оценить потенциал разработчиков устройств для спецприменений например?

[lekintr 0]

Столкнулся с новой галочкой при установке версии ISE14_7 ...

Есть два пути решения, русский и легальный. Про легальный.

Никто не мешает Вам сделать одну из двух вещей

1. Выдернуть интернет когда работаете с WebPack,

2. Никто не мешает поставить файрвол и бить по морде любой козявке которая попытается что то там кому то отослать.

Изменено 25 ноября, 2013 пользователем lekintr

[Bad0512 2]

Вы считаете нормальным, что страна потенциального противника знает ТТХ вашего устройства и (возможно) его начинку? Не говоря уже о способности оценить потенциал разработчиков устройств для спецприменений например?

Вы по-моему тут холиварчик на пустом месте затеваете. Кучи оборонных контор давно и плотно сидят на Xilinx за фаерволами (а некоторые вообще без доступа к инету) и никаких проблем не имеют. Где проблема-то?

 

[ZASADA 0]

Вы считаете нормальным, что страна потенциального противника знает ТТХ вашего устройства и (возможно) его начинку? Не говоря уже о способности оценить потенциал разработчиков устройств для спецприменений например?

отличная тема для флуда.

вы считаете нормальным планировать воевать с противником, превосходящим вас в развитии технологий в 100500 раз?

вы считаете нормальным не покупать полную версию ПО?

вы считаете нормальным, что компьютеры с суперсекретными проектами имеют прямой доступ в интернет?

список вопросов бесконечен.

[dima_spb 0]

Вы считаете нормальным, что страна потенциального противника знает ТТХ вашего устройства и (возможно) его начинку? Не говоря уже о способности оценить потенциал разработчиков устройств для спецприменений например?

 

Тут уже прозвучало сто и одно решение личных страхов=))

 

1.ТТХ утройства к счастью это не только ПЛИС Xilinx=)))

2. Выдерните шнурок интеренета и спите спокойно

3. Все будет хорошо=))

 

P.S. мне больше всего понравилась фраза "страна потенциального противника знает ТТХ вашего устройства"

 

 

[Maverick_ 15]

:bb-offtopic: о, новый холивар :) :bb-offtopic:

 

С такими мнениями лучше компьютеру вообще не давать доступу в интернет, как это делалось на предприятиях оборонной промышленности...

Доступ в интернет на компьютере в специально отведенной комнате и в строго определенные часы...

И полный контроль над информацией - работа без своих флешек, дисков, мобильных телефонов и т.д. иначе угроза утечки информации...

Полное ограничение по подключению к компьютеру своих флешек, дисков, мобильных телефонов и т.д. - все что может дать возможность утечки информации или промышленному шпионажу...

Но Вы должны понимать, что такие кардинальные меры могут привести к торможению в разработке - испытал на своем опыте...

[ViKo 1]

Постоянно замечаю, что когда мои коллеги уходят вечером с работы, и отключают доступ к Интернету, то и Quartus, и Keil "подозрительно долго" запускаются на компилирование.

[dima_spb 0]

Уважаймые форумчане так есть же еще одна ВАЖНАЯ ТЕМА=))) ПРО ЗАКЛАДКИ В МИКРУХАХ ОТ ПРОИЗВОДТЕЛЯ....

Эту тему нужно тоже обсосать

Это ведь очень важно и только мы с вами тут сможем решить эту проблему=)))

Кстати, можно быстренько скооперироваться и написать свой САПР - аналог ISE=)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) потом дома на кухне сделаем свою ПЛИС и ЗАЖИВЕЕЕМ=)))

Без закладок и наши ТТХ никто не будет знать=)

Еще мы свой язык программирования придумаем=)

Все в наших руках умелых=))))))

P.S. И наши китайские компьютеры с американскими мозгами будут быстро запускаться на компиляцию без интернета :1111493779:

[gte 6]

отличная тема для флуда.

вы считаете нормальным планировать воевать с противником, превосходящим вас в развитии технологий в 100500 раз?

вы считаете нормальным не покупать полную версию ПО?

100500 - а у нас в детстве говорили сексилион сексилионов.

Биотуалеты и спутниковая сеть электронных планшетов у ком взводов не сильно помогут в глобальной ядерной войне и на сегодняшнем уровне развития реальных предпосылок к победе той или иной стороны еще нет.

Покупать полную версию ПО американских производителей для наших военных бесполезная, точнее, вредная трата государственных денег.

 

 

[dmitry-tomsk 0]

Вы по-моему тут холиварчик на пустом месте затеваете. Кучи оборонных контор давно и плотно сидят на Xilinx за фаерволами (а некоторые вообще без доступа к инету) и никаких проблем не имеют. Где проблема-то?

Вы будете смеяться, но в оборонных конторах интернета нет. Там его не положено. А разработка ведётся по советской документации до сих пор, высокие технологии там не в почёте.